Jared has posted a couple of articles warning against making an idol of theology. Normally I do not take those sorts of things well, but seeing how Jared _teaches_ a theology class, I know that he’s not saying that theology is not important. And he makes many points that I agree with. I tell my theology class that I’m teaching them _about_ God, and it is no substitute for other important instruction and experience. You can fall in love with truths _about_ God, without necessarily loving God Himself. And that goes even for the warm fuzzy theological truths like “God is love”. Do you love God being love, or do you love the God who is love?
What really set me off is this article by P Andrew Sandlin, which I stumbled across yesterday.
Essentially, it appears that Mr. Sandlin denies that it is possible to find or infer any sort of objective, eternal truths from the Bible that are then applicable to any and all historic situations. He asserts that _all_ theology, like the Bible itself, is inexorably tied to “specific historical situations”. Consequently it is impossible to separate the truth from the situation. In short, postmodernism.
What I intend to show is:
1. Deriving principles from the Bible is essential; I cannot understand and obey the Bible in my situation apart from doing that. I must know what the Bible means in order to do what it says.
2. Most of the time, the eternal and timeless principles are fairly evident, and don’t require any significant interpretation at all.
3. The Bible is clear since God is sovereign and omnipotent.
4. Some valuable theology has little clear application.
5. The purpose of the Bible is not primarily to solve social problems.
He makes quite a few disparaging remarks about “pure” theologians, such as:
?Pure theology? tends to appeal to smart people, usually academics, who like to ?play? with ideas. The problem is that it?s rather obvious that God?s Word was not written principally for smart people; more obviously, God does not consider His ideas things to play with. … when theology becomes a plaything, an end in itself, which has no bearing on the existential needs of its readers, it is worse than useless.
There may well be these academic boogeymen who simply want to “play” with God’s truth. I have not met anyone who treats theology as a plaything. Mr. Sandlin is clearly writing to a much larger audience than some seminary professors, and he invokes this boogeyman to bolster his postmodern approach to the Bible. I deny the boogeyman exists; or at least, he’s not hiding in any closets in _this_ neighborhood.
Instead of trying to discover eternal truths about God and apply them to our situation, Mr. Sandlin suggests we simply understand and obey “the Bible in the situation in which God has placed us”, thereby discovering its meaning. Which begs the question, of course, of precisely how one is to understand and obey the Bible in a given situation. After all, it’s inextricably linked to the historical / cultural situation in which it was written. How could I possibly translate it into my time?
The only approach is for me to read the Bible and, if necessary, translate it into the closest thing I can to a universal truth, to see how it fits my particular situation. For instance, let’s say I’m considering some kind of “get rich quick” scheme. Maybe Proverbs 12:11 comes to mind “He that tilleth his land shall be satisfied with bread: but he that followeth vain persons is void of understanding.” Now, I don’t plow land, and I eat more than bread. But still, I am able to understand the eternal and timeless principle that Mr. Sandlin disparages. And I can apply that principle quite easily and see that my income should be earned by direct, honest labor, and no other way. Many day traders learned that lesson just a few years ago.
On the other hand, I could have just looked over one chapter at Proverbs 13:11. “he that gathereth by labour shall increase”. That doesn’t even take *any* interpretation. It’s just laying right there, clear as day for anyone who will bother to read it. Increase your wealth through labor.
Mr. Sandlin and others who take a postmodern view of the Bible exaggerate the degree to which it’s necessary to “interpret” the Bible. After all, if the average man could simply read, understand, apply, and obey the Bible, what would we need a priesthood to mediate between us and God these smart and well studied men to help us learn how to practically apply the Bible to our own lives?
Let’s see how much “interpretation” is really needed. Here are a few commandments of Scripture:
1. Have no other gods before [God].
2. Do not make idols
3. Do not take God’s name in vain
4. Honor the Sabbath and keep it holy
5. Honor your father and mother
6. Do not murder
7. Do not commit adultery
8. Do not steal
9. Do not bear false witness against your neighbor
10. Do not covet
Of those, how many require any work to derive universal, timeless principles? A couple? None of them require any non-trivial effort.
Many of them have significant _application_ today – we might need to think long and hard about what other gods we have or what idols we’ve created. Perhaps a Christian should think a little bit about how he’s taken Christ’s name in vain through his hypocritical life rather than simply his words. Honoring your father and mother, particularly with lifespans being what they are now, may have some real implications especially for adults.
But my point is, _the principles are clear_. Only the _application_ needs any significant effort.
Let’s try another one. Even my 3 year old son can get this. Look closely and see if you can find the timeless truth here. (But be sure not to make an idol of theology while you are doing it!
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Alright, think of the historical and cultural situation of first century Israel. Think of the Roman occupation. Remember the destruction of the first temple. Remember the Pharisees and Sadducees, the role of the Sanhedrin. Consider the dietary and ceremonial laws. Better go learn some Greek and Hebrew.
Or maybe, like Christians have been doing for a long time, just read it. “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” means “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. There’s the timeless principle. Apply it freely.
This is known as the perspicuity of Scripture, and it is logically necessary if God is sovereign, omnipotent, rational, and interested in our lives.
If God cares what we do, and He is rational, then it only follows that He would _tell us_ what He wants us to do. And if God is sovereign and omnipotent, He has both the right and the ability to _actually communicate with us_. It’s only logical.
God is in complete control of His revelation to man. He revealed Himself to us on His terms. He could have spoken to man in any historical or cultural situation, and could have created any historical situation He desired. Jesus could have come as a 21st century American or as an sub-Saharan African in 3,000 BC. Instead, God revealed Himself to ancient Israel, and was incarnated as a first century Jew. That tells me He created and selected the optimal circumstances to communicate to man. He had an infinite number of choices, and that is what He picked.
This is why it’s easy to relate to historical circumstances of the Bible and to understand the Bible. God designed it that way! Consequently, there is little need for others to “help” us translate what the Bible _said_ to what the Bible _says_. It says what it means and means what it says, and it’s typically not too hard to figure it out.
Of course, God also set it up such that study is rewarded through greater insight. But the important questions are clear. God also did not choose to reveal everything to us – as though our minds could grasp it anyway! However, the important matters of how to properly relate to God and to one another, are clear.
Mr. Sandlin makes another error when he states that theology is “worse than useless” if it has no “bearing on the existential needs of its readers”.
Some of Bible is without any _clear_ bearing on the existential needs of people, unless you can explain to me just how the doctrine of the Trinity clearly impacts my daily life in a way that modalism would not. I know there are some fairly roundabout implications, but nothing that couldn’t have been revealed more clearly and directly. Same for election. I know that a proper understanding of election is supposed to keep us humble, but it often has the opposite effect. And God already told us not to be proud of our salvation in Eph 2:8-9. We already knew He was sovereign. We could be told, without the doctrine of election, that a person’s refusal to be reconciled to God is not because we did a crummy job of witnessing, and that can be taught from the Bible without election at all. There’s no reason to have Romans 9:29-30. It tells me almost nothing about how to live, and nothing that isn’t taught more clearly elsewhere.
The Bible is not a handbook for man. It’s God’s revelation of Himself _to_ man. It is all _instructive_ but not all _instruction_. It’s purpose is to tell us about God, _including_ what His will for us is, and not simply to tell us how to live. Go buy Life’s Little Instruction Book, if that’s what you’re after. The doctrine of the Trinity reveals a lot about God, but almost nothing about how we are to live. Election reveals a lot about God, but little about our lives.
God is eternal and unchanging. Statements about God should reflect that. God exists independent of His involvement in His creation, and “pure theology” is valuable independent of direct application to our lives. God’s word is timeless truth for us, and is not bound by the culture or time that God sovereignly ordained it to be written in. Nor must our presentations of that truth be bound.
If we accept a postmodern view of the Bible, then there is NO doctrine that cannot be legitimately challenged as a cultural artifact. Sin, redemption, anything. Even the idea of God as a divine being distinct from His creation. After all, “there is a God” is a theological statement – perhaps THE theological statement.
Fortunately, God is sovereign, and speaks eternal truths to us which all men (when enlightened by the Spirit) can understand and then apply to their own situations and obey.
You can fall in love with truths about God, without necessarily loving God Himself.
Right. And I would re-emphasize that it’s okay to love truths about God. I’m a theology nerd; I admit it.
When I write things like the posts you’ve referenced, I’m writing for myself as much as anyone else. It’s been too tempting for me in the last few years to spend more time in Grudem’s Systematic Theology or Calvin’s Institutes or Carson’s commentaries or Wright’s books than in God’s Book. It’s a real temptation for me personally to spend more time teasing out the nuances of predestinatinon/free-will than I do in prayer and real Scripture meditation.
I don’t mean at all to denigrate the incredible value of theological pursuit, even on an “academic-type” level.
Normally I do not take those sorts of things well
Me neither, but usually because they are coming from some sort of anti-intellectual, somebody who eschews theology for the “superior” understanding of Spirit-filled living or what-have-you. But that’s just falling off the horse in the other direction, isn’t it? Jesus said to love the Lord our God will all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. Emphasizing any of those to the de-emphasis of another — whether it be mind or heart (as those are most common) — is an error of disobedience.
Good thoughts, Robert.
Oh, and btw, Grudem has some good stuff on the perspicuity of Scripture in his ST. ;-)
I agree on all points.
It?s God?s revelation of Himself to man.”
Just a point of clarification–Jesus Christ is the revelation of God; the Bible is the *record* of that revelation.
“The doctrine of the Trinity reveals a lot about God, but almost nothing about how we are to live.”
The doctrine of the Trinity has *lots* to tell us about how to live. In fact, our understanding of how man is flows organically from Trinitarian and Patristic theology The Church Fathers write extensively on this importance of having a decidedly Trinitarian way of life. The fact that modern Christianity has trivialized the Trinity and its practical implications is one of the scandals of our times.
Otherwise, good post.
Please forgive the typos….(sigh!)
Jesus Christ is the revelation of God; the Bible is the record of that revelation.
I do not know the implications of this statement, or if it is just semantics. Maybe this is shadows on Plato’s cave wall. But as a friend of mine says, ask me what time it is and I’ll first explain how a watch works!
I agree that Jesus is exalted over the written word; He is the Word (Jn 1:1-3). And in everything that follows, I do not intend to diminsh the significance of Christ, or of the believer’s relationship with Him.
I believe the Bible is THE record of God’s revelation to us, and as such, is indistinguishable from the revelation itself. Like, if I look at you, really what’s going on is that my optic nerves are processing a bunch of photons and creating a picture in my brain. That isn’t you exactly, but it _is_ you. Until we are face to face with Him, the record found in the Bible is primarily what we’ve got. IOW, I do not believe there are ways of knowing God that would replace or supersede the Bible, or that the Bible is lacking. Even the Holy Spirit works primarily through the written Word and by enlightening us to its meaning. (See Jared’s post, We Can’t Know Everything, linked to at the beginning of my post).
There are also some problems with defining the Bible as strictly the record of God’s revelation to us in Christ.
What does one do with the parts of the Bible that are not strict records of God’s revelation in Christ. Which is to say, the other 62 books? They do _point to_ Christ, but that makes them revelation themselves, not just the record.
At least one book of the Bible claims to be “_The Revelation_ of Jesus Christ … to His bond-servant John”.
If all scripture is breathed of God, well, God speaking is pretty much revelation as I understand it.
Finally, consider these passages:
Psalm 138:2 thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name
Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words
(I think the inclusion of “and of my words” is very significant)
John 6:63 the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
(Not, “I am spirit and I am life”, but “the words that I speak”. Christ elevates the position of the words themselves.)
John 6:68 Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
(Not, “you are life”, but “you have the words of life”.)
John 8:31 If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
(Not, “if you continue with me”)
John 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you,
(Christ abides in us, but here Christ and His words are used almost interchangably.)
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
(Doesn’t the Holy Spirit sanctify us?)
We know that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. We know that He makes us clean, and He sanctifies us. But in the above passages, the word is exalted, spoken of as truth and life, and sanctifies us. We are Christians because of our relationship to God, but Jesus speaks of His _word_ abiding in us, and our continuance in His word as the mark of our discipleship.
Aside from special revelation (which I generally doubt), I do not believe the rank and file believer has any way to gain knowledge of God apart from the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit as he studies the Bible. Our experiences may serve to affirm and solidify truths about God, but those truths are always found in the Bible. The Bible tells me of God’s faithfulness, providence, and so forth, and my experiences affirm that.
“is indistinguishable from the revelation itself”
I suppose it depends on what “indistinguishable” means….I can’t begin to tell you the number of Christians I’ve met who really honestly believe that John 1:1-11 is speaking primarily of the Bible!
“Until we are face to face with Him, the record found in the Bible is primarily what we?ve got.”
Unless one discounts the Holy Spirit’s work in the sacraments, the liturgical worship of the Church, the Councils, etc then sure.
I would simply posit that there is nothing in Holy Tradition (not simply “traditions”) that contradicts the Bible and vice versa since they come from the same source–the Holy Spirit.
“the rank and file believer has any way to gain knowledge of God apart from the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit as he studies the Bible.”
If you take out the “as he studies the Bible” and put a period after “Holy Spirit” I’m with you. The only thing that is infallible is the Holy Spirit in the life of the Church–not the Pope (RCism) and not the Bible (Prot).
If it really is the Holy Spirit at work then there is nothing He won’t teach the believer that goes against the Bible.
“Our experiences may serve to affirm and solidify truths about God, but those truths are always found in the Bible.”
I agree. This is why the Orthodox Church is generally distrustful of “visions” and “mystical experiences” that aren’t tethered to the liturgical, scriptural and ascetic life of the Church *and* that aren’t acceptd by the whole Church as being “of the Holy Spirit.”
Sorry to jump into this conversation long past the time it was going on, but I thought I would put in my 2 cents. I am wondering if Rob and Karl understand each other’s presuppositions. Rob, if I read you right, when Karl says the Bible is God’s record of revelation, are you hearing him take a kind of neo-orthodox approach to Scripture? If so, I’m with you on that – the neo-orthodox deny that God reveals propositionally, hence they would often read the bible and say something like “listen for Word of God as I read.” Hence, the bible was not the Word of God, but could become the Word of God to you. But I don’t think Karl was coming from that perspective, more from an orthodox perspective of which I am unaware – eh Karl?
Also, what’s up with all of these guys – John Armstrong is going much the same direction as Sandlin. The common thread I am seeing here is that they have been influenced by N. T. Wright and the New Perspective. Are you seeing this connection also?
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